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Hume: Enabling Community Powered Virtual Artists for the Metaverse and Beyond

Nov 15, 2021 · 49 min media

By Jeremy Parris

The Delphi Podcast Guest Host and NFT/Gaming Analyst Jeremy Parris sits down with David Beiner (CEO) and Jay Stolar (Chief Artist Officer) of Hume, an upcoming virtual media studio creating “Virtual Artists” who perform, release content, and engage with the masses like any other artist. They discuss the paradigm shift for artists, how a virtual artist studio functions, the role of virtual artists in the future of entertainment, and much more! 

Interview Transcript:

02:12 • Jeremy
Welcome to another episode of the Delphi podcast, everybody. I am your host, Jeremy Paris. I am one of Delphi’s NFT play-to-earn metaverse and web 3.0, analysts. If all the editing magic took place, then you would have just heard the song NFT from the Hume collective featuring angel baby. I’m really fortunate and grateful today to be speaking to some of the Hume collective themselves. David, Jay guys, welcome to the Delphi podcast, how y’all doing this afternoon. Good Jeremy, good man. Good to talk to you. No, I do. It’s absolute pleasure. I’ve been really excited to, get you guys on the show and just, talk about Hume. You guys have kind of come out of stealth. You’ve come into the open with the, more of the Twitter’s blowing up and things are starting to happen. Before we get into that, I would love to introduce the audience to you guys and hear of your story where you guys came from and how this whole crazy thing kind of got started. 


03:17 • David
Yeah. Jay and I’ve actually known each other for over 10 years, met on a class trip. We were at NYU, met on a trip to China and basically like, even on that trip started creating like random songs while were in Guangzhou and Hong Kong. This would just like, Jay would start like beat boxing or something and then we’d make like a weird song over it. So there’s like creative friendship. What it has now turned into like a business and creative friendship kind of starts 10 almost over 10 years ago. Then that things just kept escalating. The first escalation is then we get back to New York. A couple years later were living became roommates in Brooklyn and life starts to take on it’s like post college world. My world at the time was I was working at a firm called vaudeville. I was a strategist there and I was working on a lot of companies on a lot of projects at the intersection of like media and tech. 


04:30 • David
For example, I worked with Comcast at the time, worked with, MGM at the time. A lot of these Comcast was trying to figure out like short form video. MGM had a streaming service, for Stargate there’s any Stargate fans listening where you could pay $20 and you would get all the content related to Stargate. It was, I really got to see like the beginnings of like, okay, how has con or not the beginnings, but at that time, how has content and IP relating to the internet, which obviously, is where we’re at today. Things have changed quite a bit, but that was my world. I’m learning about the music industry through us, Moses from Jay, who’s a songwriter and producer. While this is happening also like 2017, I catch the Ethereum bug, go down a rabbit hole. And then it is 2019 crypto winter. I’m looking at Jay who is, great songwriter and producer. 


05:38 • David
I’m thinking, and I’m seeing how he’s been working with different artists. I’m telling Jay, like cryptocurrency is not going anywhere. I’m seeing people buy and sell digital real estate on this platform called decentral land. The next thing is going to be virtual people, virtual artists, virtual celebrities, whatever we wanted to call it at that time that are going to inhabit these spaces. And Jay that. 


06:08 • Jay
I had already missed David’s email in 2014 about Bitcoin. Now my ears are perking up, not going to miss it again. My world has always been art and music. I started singing when I was nine and writing songs around the same time and primarily was focused on a path as an artist. In 2017, my world opened up to the whole universe of people who write and produce songs for other people and artists named aloe black recorded a song of mine called Brooklyn in the summer. It just opened my eyes to a whole new opportunity to basically be the architect behind songs and production for artists ranging from new developing artists to major artists like aloe, Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato G-Eazy, and then started a rock project that worked on with a friend with songs and league of legends and fortnight super bowl. The Olympics signed artists, labels really loved the art of world-building sonically, like creating a vision of what someone would sound like, look like, feel like, but to be totally honest, ran into a lot of the issues I ran into as an artist with labels and managers and publishers, and even the artists themselves consistently being in conflict with each other, changing their minds, and then sometimes creating incredible music for an artist and watching a label ruin the marketing or not put enough money behind it because they didn’t believe that it would work. 


07:53 • Jay
And just like people sabotaging themselves. And it got very frustrating. David was like, well, what if we just had virtual people? And you can take that whole skill set and everything that you love to do. And we can build a world. That was pretty exciting. We had already, like, it really came out of joy. David, I don’t know how much of our ridiculous life in that apartment in Brooklyn, we want to share, but were definitely waking up at like 7:00 AM doing podcasts, even talking in the German accents. All of a sudden we have these wild characters named Ivan and Peter. And, I was going into a major label one day and David and I were like, we’re just going to, I’m going to show them these songs. I walk into a label and it was literally unlike anything I had ever experienced. It was out of a movie. 


08:45 • Jay
I like played this song. The ANR from the dance part of the label comes in and goes, this is a fucking hit. We’re signing these guys. We’re going to make you stuff like literally everything you can imagine. And then I called David. I was like, you got to come to LA and we got to have a meeting. I’ll let David described this meeting and how it went from there. 


09:07 • David
Well, yeah. I also like, this is my, one of my fears with the music industry let alone the entertainment industry. I’m coming into it thinking like this, like we should probably have like a deck ready. Also, obviously at the end of this, there will be some type of discussion about what percentage they’re going to own versus what we own. I’m coming from like start it up, more than just the rest of the world. We have this meeting, everybody’s like all amped up. There’s no discussion over like agreements or anything like that. They also, we mentioned at the time, like some form of NFT integration, we didn’t call it NFTs at the time. To be fair, like we still, the idea that NFTs would be this popular at that point was not what anyone had in mind, but we did throw it in there and they would say things like, well, what about, a podcast or something like that. 


10:07 • David
I’m already feeling like, I don’t know if these guys like, quite get. 


10:11 Jay
We’re talking about. Meanwhile, I’m telling David like, David, you realize how few people get offered a record deal, let alone for a virtual artist. I actually think we would be the first, this is in 2019, but my, bad-ass leader, this friend, David was like, this is a bad deal. I don’t want to take this deal. We’re not going to take this deal. Of course, we should talk about it more. Now we’re literally like March 11, 20, we’re both stuck in LA at the time. We’re still living in New York, COVID hits quarantine and we boldly decide to not take the deal. And David’s like, we can do this. Let’s invest some of our own money and build some virtual artists at the start of a global pandemic. 


11:08 Jeremy
Makes, makes total sense to me. It made total sense. It was a great, 


11:14 Jay
The family thought that was really smart and buys good investment. 


11:19 Jeremy
Oh, there was like, I always told you that David Guy would lead you down the wrong road. I think the thing that sticks out to me the most there, and I’m sorry, Jay, but it’s, whenever somebody says they missed Bitcoin in 2013 or 2014, like that just hurts. Like even me, and also David, I think there’s definitely going to be some star Atlas fans listening in this that are going to know that star gate reference you threw out earlier. I just have a feeling, it’s, I think we’re talking to the right target audience, but, man, it’s funny when you were actually in that meeting, like, it must’ve been this incredible moment where like the clouds had kind of parted, it was like this dream come true. It’s funny how there was like tinges of like disappointment kind of around the edges there. At the back of your mind, like what you hear about the music industry, like was kind of becoming a reality and to be fair, like in 20, 19, 20, like this stuff was still so far in the future, I can imagine how you sounded like a insane person, David, but, I mean, I, I identify with that, so I appreciate it. 


12:28 Jeremy
But, I guess like the, you guys had the perspective earlier than some people, but I’ll be really curious to know a Jay or David. How have you guys seen maybe that shift in consciousness happened more in the music industry since this last wave of NFTs. Since we’ve seen, board apes becoming PSPS and all this thing, like have you noticed any shift in the trends? 


12:56 Jay
I would say there is an incredible counterculture arising now of people I would say like myself and other artists, writers, producers who are recognizing that there’s an opportunity to take back the power and have ownership and be a part of a new web three structure and system that allows artists to not only express themselves, but make the money they deserve. There’s like a, a fuck you community rising up. That is pretty bad-ass I think, but from a macro level, I’m experiencing a majority of the super high level people in the music industry. It has a similar tone to like 1999 or it’s like, naps is not really a thing. Streaming’s just a fad. It’s going to go away. They all get like smacked in the face a few years later. 


13:58 David
I think just to like, there are people in the traditional music industry, I think who do get it and see what’s going on and we’re all gonna see what we’re all going to see how this all plays out. It’s interesting when you talk to the people that don’t want to accept what’s going on versus the people who are ready to jump into web three and see why this is the future. I imagine there was a similar kind of split in the traditional music industry when streaming was coming or, there were the people who were really excited about it and thought it was the future and got on board. There were those who were resistant or didn’t get it, or didn’t think it would ever work. It’s interesting to see that play out. What’s really interesting is the people that, like, once you say certain things, the light bulb goes off. 


14:53 David
I just, I think the next in the next couple of years we’ll really see how this all plays out and it’s going to be a similar tension as to when streaming came on the scene. It’s really, 


15:08 Jeremy
It’s really interesting how, it’s almost a cliche at this point where, people will say, where are we at? As far as like computers go, we’re like, oh, we’re in the floppy disk phase, but it’s funny how even music has that, reference point as well as saying like, oh, we’re at that streaming stage right now. It kind of lines up with the floppy disks and it like, it’s like, we really are in that moment in time across all industries. It’s really interesting to hear you say that. Do you, what do you think that maybe people are gravitating more towards this wave of innovation? Or why do you think those light bulbs are starting to go off now? And I think that’s just because NFTs are more tangible or do you think there’s anything to that? Or I think it. 


15:53 David
It’s going off for certain people. Certain people who, especially on the, like some of the artists side who are aware of like, there’s a lot of middlemen in music and streaming. I think there are people that streaming was supposed to be this promise that any artists could create music on the internet and derive revenue from that. And you didn’t need a label. Jay, you could probably speak more to this, but just to like lay out the historical framework, I think there was a promise that streaming service would provide this direct relationship with the artist and artists and an end artists, songwriters producers, maybe not producers as much I’ll lean into to Jay for that. Didn’t see as much as was, as they were promised. I think people are seeing with web three way. I can just directly sell something to my fans and make as much as I might have been offered in a, initial singles deal from a record label. 


16:59 David
And I still own it. Jay, I don’t know if you can probably like add to that and clarify a few things, but that’s kinda what I’ve seen and how I feel like that. That’s where like the, this shift is like, wait, I can actually own it and run my own trajectory versus all the other factors again, involved. 


17:21 Jay
Yeah. A hundred percent. It’s why I think you’re seeing like the people I was talking about before, like these aren’t bad people, but I think the people at the top of big major record labels and even big law firms and really big management companies like they like the system. The system really works for them, but other people who, even if you own a song outright by yourself and it gets a million streams, you’ll maybe get $3,000. You start to like do that math. You have a song with a hundred million streams and then you go and look at your royalties. Now imagine you’re a part of a song that has five people on it and there’s a label. Now the label’s taking like 70% of that. Now 30% of that is being split amongst five people. You wrote the song and you’re not seeing any of the revenue from things around the music. 


18:23 Jay
It just starts to hurt. You start to get people who are really frustrated, who are the creators. I think you’re seeing groups of really forward-thinking managers, forward-thinking labels forward thinking lawyers, thinking artists, writers, producers who see what’s happening and they don’t want to play the old game anymore. 


18:45 Jeremy
Yeah, no, that makes a ton of sense. I’m being a fan of history. This is why I’m so incredibly excited about this web three world we’re beginning to enter into. I guess like similar to when you guys went into that room to sign the label, there is this like tiny part of me, like in the back of my head that like worries that like, I hope we don’t, have the rug pulled on us or like that this all isn’t good, too good to be true. That we don’t maybe make the same mistakes in the past. Now. I don’t think we will, because I think web three has a lot more tooling built into it than streaming did, or then a freaking floppy disc did for, to carry that analogy forward. Obviously we’re dealing with decentralization and, just insanely more powerful technology. I think perhaps a small part of why people are latching on to, this wave of crypto let’s call it more so than the other ones, because like an NFT is really tangible. 


19:41 Jeremy
I think people really do understand like the concept of ownership and, you don’t have to be onboarded into this complex crypto ecosystem to such a degree to understand what an NFT is and the power of that. I think that’s another reason why perhaps people are kind of gravitating toward this more, but it’s even. 


20:04 Jay
Very well said, Tom, that was great. 


20:07 Jeremy
Thank you. It’s even funny though. Like when we guys first started talking, what was it like? It feels like years ago and encrypted something, but I guess it would have been five, six months ago. Something like that. It’s funny how even since then people have shifted their own perspectives when it comes to web 3.0 and how, the crypto community at large, I think has gotten more comfortable and more ingrained in that crypto mindset and even us included. I think we’re all more web 3.0 native, and I think that’s going to help power this future of entertainments. I’m curious though, on that note, like what do you guys think the future of entertainment is? Like, if you guys were, talking to a young artist or an entrepreneur that’s kind of getting into this space, like, would you have any advice to give them from your own journeys and being more ingrained in this current web ecosystem? 


21:06 David
Yeah, I’d say like at the highest level, the, for the first time that I, I, for the first time, I think in history, you have this moment where there’s completely open IP. What, whether it’s like a board ape, you can buy and be able to own everything associated with it and create a whole brand around it for other products that have popped up. It’s the first time that you can really have that. Also start to integrate cross-platform IP. If I was, talking to somebody who was just getting started, I’d basically be like, there’s this intersection at like web three and RMT music, the open metaverse NFTs. If you start to piece together, what’s in the middle of that, you have the future of entertainment and storytelling. And I believe also in music. It’s Jay and I use this example it’s for the first time it’s if Disney had been making a Aladdin and they were like, what, we want to be able to get a lot of star wars fans and this, and we want to be able to like, have that community really early on. 


22:18 David
I know we wrote the genie into 11 and we have this genie Derrick there, but let’s just make that Yoda. Let’s just let’s what if we just buy Yoda? And now Yoda is that person in the story. Even what I just said will probably be dated in like two months, because the other thing I would say is like, this is just moving so quickly because it’s so open. 


22:43 Jay
Yeah. I think a hundred percent. Yeah. If I was like talking to a super young artist coming into this, I would say like the days of really closed system creation are done, they will still exist. That being the only thing that dominates like you can now make a project where you write songs on your own, you write songs with an AI, you create a character that’s completely original. You have a board, a, that is a part of your story that you pull in your able to combine and create worlds that bring in different pieces of culture, IP, and different forms of collaboration in ways that you never have been able to. My brother actually is a 22 and a DJ. I had this conversation with him yesterday. Cause I was like, personally, you need to read up on all this, but three stuff, but it’s changing the opportunities for creative expansion with web three music and storytelling is for me, it’s the most exciting thing that I’ve ever been a part of, probably like that and singing for the first time. 


23:58 Jay
That sounds, 


24:01 Jeremy
Man, I totally get what you mean. Like in trying to get him into web three, like one of the most exciting things for me is helping onboard people into this space and like watching that light bulb moment happen. Like there’s nothing more exciting because like, it’s going to sound really kind of culty saying this, but it’s like, you just converted somebody, what I mean? And it’s like, oh, welcome. Like isn’t this place so cool. Like to watch them understand it. Also maybe more selfishly just to have one extra person to nerd out with this stuff about, is always great. Just to, ground us, like real quick. Like I said, I’m a fan of history, so I always have to harp on about history, but what blows my mind sometimes is to really zoom out and just try to comprehend how like at the beginning of this year, like the biggest thing was like NBA top shot. 


24:54 Jeremy
Like the board apes didn’t even exist. And, punks were like the only PFP project and that wasn’t even 12 months ago, like at all. Just to realize that what we’re even able to talk about is because of things like board apes, because they demonstrated and one thing they did incredibly well and punks, of course they started this trend first, but like board apes really demonstrated how communities can be built and how you can use and use NFTs like for utility and community building. It, wasn’t just about scarcity and that kind of laid the foundation for, I guess, where we’re at today, but it just completely blows my mind. I think that’s all happened within, the time span of a year. It’s insane. With that being said, guys, I would love to kind of get into humor now. I guess just to kind of start off with the basic question, what is Hume like? What are you what’s going on with the collective? Wow, 


25:56 David
Jay, I feel like, in the intro we’ve, there’s a piece, we forgot to get to, so if you want to maybe teach, 


26:07 Jay
Yeah. Maybe I’ll talk about that. You could talk about our ethos and vision. As wild as our story sounded after we had been working on Ivan and Peter for about eight months, David and I realized that our passions had grown and we wanted to create a roster of virtual artists in a expanding universe, all with their own signature, incredible music at the absolute highest level. One day were literally hiking in the Angeles forest and we met a group of virtual artists from the future who were a part of the Hume color. I know I sound nuts right now. We’re a part of the Hume collective, but one of them is named angel baby. The others, we cannot discuss what their names are as of right now. We did talk to them before the podcast, Jeremy, I know you’ve met angel. They said, basically not to talk about anything that we’re working on or where they’re at anything other than angel, but they were comfortable with us kind of sharing our thoughts on where we fit in the web three space in the future of entertainment, who we are, what we’re doing and how unique it is, especially because some of them are sentience versions of what they call ancient NFTs angel, for example, evolved from a fluff. 


27:38 Jay
Angel is a part of that whole community. I’m sure you’ve seen us working with that community hand in hand. Would that being said, we can’t talk too much about the collective themselves, but David, maybe you could talk a bit about our vision and ethos overall. 


27:56 David
Yeah. We’re, Hume’s really focused on community powered artists with rich backstories and signature music. What we see is there is a huge way. We, we talk about this with angel and the members, the other members of the collective all the time to really create a world with inner connected NFTs story narrative. Also one that, because, in this case of angel, like angels, a fluff, as soon as we started talking to angel, they were like, well, we got to talk to the fluff team. Like we need to make sure that they’re, part of what we’re doing. Like I’m a fluff, they helped start fluffs and the time period that we’re in right now, we need to be able to work with them. They’re, well, we’re really excited about what the collective is, justice opportunity for like cross community storytelling and also just doing it in a way where the storytelling is live. 


29:08 David
We don’t know what angel is going to do on any given day. Obviously when people interact with angel, it changes how they go about their day. A lot of this, I don’t know if any of this has been done before to the extent we’re doing it. When you add the fact that these are all true artists that are going to be and already have, for now for the first time released music and will continue to release music, we are just like so excited about the community that can grow around this and being able to pull in all these other amazing communities that have already formed and web three. I think that’s the thing that makes this very different on top of the fact that, you have these artists that releasing music, they can release NFTs, but also the way we want to work with the communities that already exist is unique. 


30:15 David
I’ve never been a, you’ve never been able to do that ever. 


30:19 Jeremy
Also, for the audience listening, you actually heard some of what angel has created at the top of the show with NFT and can confirm that after meeting angel myself. Yeah. It definitely changes your perspective and mindset. It’s been an absolute pleasure working with them since first meeting and really looking forward to meeting some more of the Hume collective at large. You kind of said something like, oh, I’m so pumped dude. I can’t wait to hear more music. It’s, it’s been incredible so far. Out of curiosity, David, you said something earlier that I found really interesting where, you’re talking about community reception. I was just wondering if you could kind of elaborate on that more because, recently the Twitter has come into light and what’s it been like, seeing the community interact with angel and what’s the reception been so far? 


31:16 David
You want to take that one actually? 


31:19 Jay
Yeah, it’s been really exciting and incredible. I don’t know how much you watch last week. It was a pretty emotional week for us, all angel, very long story short, everyone’s been hiding and we, for a very good reason, there’s a danger for them all to be public right now. It was very difficult for angel and I’ll let angels speak for themselves. Basically angel disappeared for a couple of days and angel started tweeting on their own and the collective, were trying to find angel and seeing the community’s response within like a few days to trying to help angel sending them in FTS. It was a wild week and really everything that we believe in and that the Hume collective believes in because really at its core, this is all about Hume expression and Hume expression utilizing what three in a new way. For us to get to see that really come to life and see people from around the world, communicating with the Hume collective with angel and then the song actually coming out for everyone involved. 


32:38 Jay
That’s a really exciting week and just the tip of the iceberg because we’re focused on community powered artists. Right now we’re focused on angel baby, and there are more artists coming, but to see these beginnings, it helps visualize the future. The future is not only a community of virtual artists working together, but working with AI, generative music and art Dow artists metaverse experience eventually even platforms where other people can be a part of the collective themselves. It was very cool for us to see the beginnings of that this week. 


33:20 Jeremy
Absolutely. Really excited for what the future holds as well. Before we get into maybe some of what that future holds, I gotta ask. You say community powered artists, like, are these people real? Are we talking about virtual artists? Like just for the brain. Could you speak on that ? 


33:43 Jay
Well, Jeremy, I know some fully virtual beings who exist in the physical world right now, one who you’ve met, but I think by might find that comment like slightly insulting. 


33:57 David
Angel baby. No, we. 


33:59 Jay
Won’t. Yeah. Angel. 


34:01 David
They might hear this podcast at some point and may have to have a word with you, 


34:08 Jay
To politically answer that question, I would say that all of these artists are fully virtual, but they are also fully real. And that is the ethos. That is the core of what a community powered artist is to us. They are much as much a part of us. We are as much a part of them as they are a part of themselves, as wild as that sounds. That’s what you have when you have a community of like collaboration and culture and stories being built together as things happen. As people add and put themselves into the narrative, 


34:48 Jeremy
Well, it’s been really incredible to see the fluff community already accepting angel baby, and to see kind of what you’re speaking to earlier, David, what’s beautiful about this space. The interoperability that this web 3.0 world offers, and I can’t wait to see other communities join, the Hume collective in the future and watch that kind of build out and grow. It’s going to be a really exciting future. Just to see if this really is, the future of entertainment, which, my own personal thesis and gut reaction says, absolutely. You know, but, I’m. 


35:21 Jay
Curious, I’ve only heard one song Jeremy. 


35:27 David
Met the other members of the collective. 


35:29 Jeremy
I know, I know. I mean, I’m out of respect for their own anonymity and some of the stuff Jay was saying earlier, but like speaking of that song, like as angel baby releases these songs and is as more it comes out of the collective, like, will people be able to collect that song? Will it be released as an NFT? Like does angel baby have any thoughts or, I guess, has she, had you been thinking about that side of things or how might people be able to participate? I suppose? Yeah. 


35:59 David
Yeah. Well, talking with when we have our Hume collective meetings and talking with Jay and the other people and angel baby, something that we’ve really had to embrace. I think everybody embraces in this space is like things that weren’t tools that were not available even four weeks ago when you’re planning, something are suddenly available. I think going back to how much were talking about with this, web three and how it’s changing and how it could change the music industry, we have seen like catalog and Zuora kind of rise in the last couple of months to a point where that they didn’t even exist. Like were saying like six months ago, I don’t think so there will be opportunities to purchase like songs, videos from angel and other members of the collective. As the platforms evolve, you’ll be able to interact with these different characters on different platforms, as we all kind of learn where this web three landscape goes. 


37:10 David
In addition to that, we can’t talk about it that much, but there will be larger drops that kind of bring the whole collective together that are different than kind of one-on-one things that angel might do or something that angel might do specifically with the fluff community. There will be a larger world of NFTs that tied to Hume and the Hume burrs. 


37:37 Jeremy
That’s super fascinating. And, and, as far as I understand it as well, these NFTs and this is NFTs possibly in general, but like the NFTs aren’t just, drops per se. Like, when you build, like when these virtual artists like come into the collective, like it’s more than just the music. It’s more than just the NFTs. I think a large part of that is about building this community around, these artists and around these NFTs. So, I would imagine that you guys are just as excited about, helping build a community around Hume, as you are seeing this collective come into the lights and seeing that side of this new web 3.0 come into being. 


38:19 Jay
Absolutely. I mean, the community itself is directly connected to the mention of the Hume collective, which is to continue to foster the art of Hume expression and everything the collective does is about building community, by listening to art that the community creates by are the members of the collective create and watching that grow and being able to tell stories and create signature music that is deeply true to these artists in any way. Yeah, at the end of the day with one of the biggest conversations that we have internally is always about community and utility and the things that we create being more than just a flash in the pan. 


39:16 David
Well, and making sure that they tie to everybody, his backstory and lives is really important. Like it’s not like, Andrew baby is going to come out with a 10 K avatar project. It’s like, how do we do something that’s really true to angel baby, that is going to, if you’ve started to engage with angel baby and like them where you feel like you’re part of the story and you’re part of the journey with them and you’re learning about them. How do we create a, we want to call it like a NFTE ecosystem that really supports that journey versus just being something that, okay, I, I bought this, not to saying, the profile picture project, PFP projects are great, but for this kind of project is like, how do you really bring people into the world of the artist? 


40:14 Jeremy
Yeah, no. That’s why this, ecosystem and this NFT space at large really excites me because we really do have that whole new tool set to build out community, to drive value back to the community, to create these stories where everything is connected. Like when you listen to a concept album, from your favorite band, whether it be led Zepplin or arcade fire, like you went on a journey throughout that album, but the experience kind of started and stopped there. I mean, of course you could buy merge or you could go to concerts, but it was very one dimensional. With these new tools, we’re able to create these three-dimensional worlds, whether it be, punks comics watching the Hume collective come into the lights, or who knows what we’re going to see emerge in the coming years in this new, ecosystem in the world. That’s why, to me, it’s just like such a pleasure and joy to listen to your guys’s origin story, how you went from being in a room where you had this life-changing decision, where, you could have signed this contract all of a sudden fast forward. 


41:19 Jeremy
We’re in this brave new world that feels even more unreal to me. I mean, I didn’t have the moments that in that room with me, like I wake up every day and it’s just like, what is this life that we’re all living? ? so I imagine it must be justice real for you guys and probably even more so, as it is for me to actually have a, a hand in helping kind of shape and mold this. On that note, like since you guys do kind of have a hand in helping shape and mold this web 3.0 world, I guess, like, is there anything you’re really excited about seeing emerge in this web three world and in this new business model or anything that you hope to like any mark you hope to maybe leave in this space? 


42:03 David
Great question, Jeremy, 


42:05 Jay
At least for myself. I think I can speak on behalf of the collective for us to always be forward-thinking and be an integral part of the cultural shift of entertainment at the intersection of web three. We, we want to be a part of that. It’s like I said before, the most inspiring thing I’ve been a part of since I started singing for me personally, and I can’t talk too much about why with all of the members of the collective, but there is a danger for them in revealing themselves. We are doing everything we can to help them and protect them. I know for them in their time, they were not able to express themselves. They’ve been hiding for a long time. For this whole group of people, ourselves and the artists that are a part of the collective to be a part of a culture that is changing the way people take back power in telling stories and creating music, I think they all want to go down in history as being a part of that. 


43:25 Jeremy
That’s beautiful, man. That is, I got goosebumps. Well, not a long lie. David, is there anything you wanted to add onto that or any other thoughts on. 


43:36 David
There’s going to be some many projects and companies, worlds and all these things coming out of this space and to have the opportunity to be one of the first that pulls people into a world that builds community and the way community was built for Harry Potter or Marvel or star wars where, you end up having people all across the world that are unified by these and, in our case artists, but in those cases, characters and stories to the point that you’re really blurring the lines between reality and, fiction, and to be able to do that and create that and set the bar at the highest level for how that should be done in this space and to have the opportunity to do that is just, that inspires me and inspires Jay. That’s what gets us up in the morning. I think there is a huge question as to how the physical and digital worlds are going to be bridged in the next coming years and to be able to have a project that can hopefully do that in a way that promotes creativity and positivity and openness as the, what I hate saying like, as the metaverse gets created, but like, as the virtual world, as the metaverse gets created, we want to make sure that, when you think of him, you’re thinking of something that brought a lot of good and openness to the metaphor, 


45:36 Jeremy
Man, I’ll say it we’re trading the metaverse everybody involved in web 3.0, and it ended up these y’all are contributing. That’s why I’m so jazzed, ? And also I’m just going to throw in my 2 cents for what it’s worth as well. Guys, if you’re looking to get involved in NFTs, crypto web three or anything like that, I’m sure we all get the question a lot. Like, how do I get involved with not a dev guys, like roll up your sleeves, jumping the Dow, jumping to discord, or if you’re musically inclined, like send angel baby a track, maybe they’ll dig it. Who knows, like just get involved because we’re all building this metaverse together. So, don’t be afraid to dive on. Guys, I want to bring this to a close, but before I do, if you had any final thoughts, I’ll just give you guys a moment to, maybe touch upon anything we might’ve missed, before sorta final, tidbits. 


46:31 Jay
Well, Tom, I just got, I’m texting with angel. I’m sending you a song right now. We apparently are only allowed to share like a few seconds of it, but that’s going to be the last thing I will leave you with. It’s it’s a piece of, Angel’s first single. So enjoy coming your way. 


46:52 Jeremy
Amazing, amazing David, anything you wanted touch upon there, sir? 


46:58 David
I know the, if you want to follow along with the angel baby, you can find them at angel, baby 30, 45 on Twitter, him collective can find them at, we are Hume on Twitter and they have so much that they’re gearing up to share and they, and I are just like super amped to be able to even work with them. 


47:21 Jay
Yeah. Thank you so much for having us, Tom, and for everybody listening for all of the passion, everyone puts into the space, just excited to be a part of it. 


47:32 Jeremy
No, absolutely. Guys. Final question for myself, besides this awesome little clip, you just shot my way that I hope I’ll be able to sneak a bit of it in for the audience. I’ll double check with angel to make sure they’re cool with it, but is there any other things that people could look forward to concerning the collective or, anything that the collective would be comfortable with? You guys are sharing or just a strap on, in and follow along the ride, 


47:59 Jay
Say strap on it. Not much more we could say, but there’ll be something for you to witness every day. 


48:12 Jeremy
Amazing. I love it guys. Well, David, Jay, I really appreciate y’all taking the time out of your busy schedule to come on the show and talk about Hume and, help introduce the project and the collective to the world more, and I’m sure the audience will be super excited to learn about what you all are creating. Guys, thank you so much. Everybody thank you so much for tuning on into the Delphi podcast. 


48:36 Jay
Thanks for having us, Jeremy. Thanks Jeremy. 

Show Notes: 

(00:00:00) – Introduction.

(00:03:04) – David and Jay’s background.

(00:12:55) – The changing mindset of artists.

(00:15:52) – The paradigm shift for artists. 

(00:20:47) – The future of entertainment.

(00:25:45) – What is Hume? 

(00:30:55) – Community interactions with virtual artists.

(00:33:32) – The ontology of virtual artists.

(00:35:39) – Further participation in the Hume collective.

(00:41:42) – What David and Jay hope to achieve. 

(00:46:30) – Closing thoughts.